033 - Derrick Garza - Round 2

Danny Mulvihill  0:02  
Welcome back to another episode of The MindScape podcast this week, I'm hanging out with my friend Dar- Derrick Garza.

Derrick Garza  0:21  
You're gonna call me darkness. My friend, darky. My friend, Darky Garza.

Danny Mulvihill  0:26  
I think I just stumbled on my words. I wasn't actually but I like it anyway. 

Derrick Garza  0:31  
So yeah, you can call me darky

Danny Mulvihill  0:33  
Can I? I mean I'm not compelled to, I prefer Derrick

Derrick Garza  0:38  
If you want but yeah.

Danny Mulvihill  0:41  
So as you can see today, it's gonna be pretty laid back. We don't really have any. I don't have any paper in front of me.

Derrick Garza  0:47  
No agenda.

Danny Mulvihill  0:48  
No agenda. Exactly. So let's just catch up with microphones in front of us. 

Derrick Garza  0:54  
Yeah. 

Danny Mulvihill  0:55  
And let's start with.. how about you start us off, Derrick?

Derrick Garza  0:59  
Man.. well, number one, I wasn't expecting to be on a podcast today. I invited Danny to train -- we usually train a few times a week and Danny's kind of always I was telling him, I was telling you that you're kind of always everywhere. So I kind of put it out there not knowing if you're gonna like, today, I'm gonna see you or I may see you in two weeks.

Danny Mulvihill  1:18  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:18  
But I always just kind of put it out there to be consistent. And you're like, can't make it today. Cool. And then you texted me.. probably a few minutes after that was like, Hey, you want to do a podcast? And I was like, Yeah, man. Let's do it. So yeah, I wasn't expecting to be on a podcast. But yeah, I figure I can talk with you. We're friends. So.. here we are.

Danny Mulvihill  1:36  
Yeah, like I said, when I texted you, so I had somebody else scheduled today. And she had to cancel last minute she had something come up she forgot about and I've been just coming down to the wire for a few weeks now. I've been so busy, with a couple of things will probably dig into more that I just haven't been able to get caught up. And so I've been coming down to like, recording episodes on Sunday for the next day. 

Derrick Garza  2:02  
Do you not do that? 

Danny Mulvihill  2:03  
No, and it just sucks. You know, it puts a lot of pressure on the situation to try to get -- you're like oh my god, I gotta get it done. I gotta get done or, and even a few weeks ago, I missed a Monday because I just was.. had way too much going on. 

Derrick Garza  2:14  
Did anybody notice? Do you have unsubscribers? 

Danny Mulvihill  2:18  
Yeah, I lost a bunch people. 

Derrick Garza  2:20  
Who is this guy? This guy is not consistent.

Danny Mulvihill  2:21  
Just angry emails I wish, man

Derrick Garza  2:23  
Like this guy that doesn't get paid to do this labor of love is not consistent. Fuck this guy.

Danny Mulvihill  2:26  
Like this guy. He missed a Monday. No, one time I missed a Monday one other time. And like Monday morning, my brother's like, well, I missed your episode today. I'm like, fuck, I was hoping nobody noticed. 

Derrick Garza  2:39  
So your mom's you know an unsubscriber.

Danny Mulvihill  2:41  
That she's definitely a number.. top fan. 

Derrick Garza  2:43  
Yeah, she is a top fan. Now, I was saying she unsubscribed, seeing that you missed the Monday. But so yeah. So you did that. And you've been -- you're always so busy, like said, which is cool. I mean, I'd love to see the growth. You know what I mean? Like, you're doing the podcast. And then I like I was saying to you earlier, it's like we're friends. But like you live in the Outer Rim. 

Danny Mulvihill  3:06  
The outer rim?

Derrick Garza  3:08  
Because what I mean by that is like you're always going to different open mats and doing jujitsu thing. And a few months ago before you got really serious with the podcast, you were just doing all the -- as many tournaments as you can. And then also, like, I'm learning this new thing. I'm trying to get this job blah, blah, blah. So like, I'm just like, man, what do you just like? I don't know what's like a little busy animal, man, like a little gopher or something? Just making holes everywhere and

Danny Mulvihill  3:34  
Sure, getting ready for the winter or something. 

Derrick Garza  3:36  
Yeah, something like that. I don't know. I can't think of what a busy animal is. But yeah, man, it's real cool to see how much growth you know what I mean? And, and, you know, when I look at like, so most of my interactions with you at this point are jujitsu, but way more, way fewer. And then I see the stuff that you're doing on the internet. I was like, Man, this dude has like Navy Seals and Doctors and shit. 

Danny Mulvihill  4:02  
Oh yeah, that was such a fun episode. 

Derrick Garza  4:04  
Well, it's cool, you know? Because, you know, I did the podcast myself. And I was always kind of like, who's in my vicinity?

Danny Mulvihill  4:11  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  4:11  
Like who would be interested in who tells him to games interesting stories. And who am I comfortable with talking to and I see that you're doing it and you're way more inclined to like dive into some.. some new realm in which you don't have I guess a lot of idea about

Danny Mulvihill  4:30  
Or expertise. 

Derrick Garza  4:31  
Right, right. Right. And sometimes I think if you're doing a podcast man people really like stick to their to their toolbox, you know, their wheelhouse. So it's real cool to see that you're not really doing that and like doing it well

Danny Mulvihill  4:46  
Ah, that's a detail that important detail there. Thank you man.

Derrick Garza  4:49  
I mean that's subjective, you know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  4:50  
Sure

Derrick Garza  4:50  
Like yeah, I see it. Like you know, you're my friend and I'm, I'm always like rooting for you. I'm like, Dude, that dude is doing some shit. So that's, so I'm here now. I'm super fucking honored that I'm on your podcast again.

Danny Mulvihill  5:03  
Yeah, like, I forgot to say that I had been meaning to kind of reach out like we did my brother and I did another one. And it's kind of fun the second time around, you get, you can find a little bit more depth

Derrick Garza  5:13  
Yup

Danny Mulvihill  5:13  
In conversation. And I've been also just experimenting mostly in my head with mixing up the format a little bit, you know, like, just try a few different approaches out. Because normally I take a pretty serious, like, I'm not serious, but interview type approach

Derrick Garza  5:29  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  5:29  
You know, I've, I've tried to make it as much about the guest as possible

Derrick Garza  5:32  
Sure

Danny Mulvihill  5:33  
And not be like, you know, make it too much about me, because the whole reason we're talking is because I wanna hear what they got to say. And, but today, and for a few times, I've been trying to be like, less regimented. And

Derrick Garza  5:45  
More casual?

Danny Mulvihill  5:46  
Yeah, just take it and see where it goes. And so that if you have a list of bullet points in front of you, sometimes, if either, if you stick to that too much, you might miss a chance to go down a direction that you didn't intend to.

Derrick Garza  6:02  
Well, I think, I think when you start doing something like, you know, something creative, or you're putting a lot of yourself into it, you have this high level of kind of maybe pressure you put on yourself because it needs to be you have this idea that it needs to be this certain 

Danny Mulvihill  6:18  
Sure 

Derrick Garza  6:19  
Package, it needs to look a certain way or you've heard other podcasts and how they do it and how it comes off as professional. And you're like, I got to do that. So that can.. I guess sometimes like pigeonhole you? And I mean

Danny Mulvihill  6:32  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  6:33  
All that to say, Man, I think it's kind of cool to do like an interview, or more conversational type podcast with your friend, with friends, whoever you want to do it with, because I think when people get comfortable, that's when they really start opening up.

Danny Mulvihill  6:49  
Yeah, always sort of seeking that point where it's natural, you're sort of in flow state, you know, but

Derrick Garza  6:59  
But it's hard to, it's hard to stay there, man, I can always tell when we start

Danny Mulvihill  7:02  
That's the nature of it. 

Derrick Garza  7:03  
I can always tell when we start an interview that we're both kind of like, we're like, amped about it, you know?

Danny Mulvihill  7:08  
Sure

Derrick Garza  7:09  
Like, I'm like, fuck, how do we -- how do you sustain that? How do you sustain that type of energy? You know what I mean? Like it really, it's like taking the first drink of Redbull. And then your heart started going like, all right, fuck. All right, what are we doing? And

Danny Mulvihill  7:21  
I wish that still happened when I take a sip of redbull. 

Derrick Garza  7:23  
It still happens right now. But, yeah, so be more relaxed, you know? And it's kind of the reason today that I was like, I'm not gonna wear headphones. Like, I want to just be able to talk to my friend, you know what I mean? And kind of just talk about whatever, like, we'd have no agenda. 

Danny Mulvihill  7:40  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  7:40  
And that's kind of cool. You know?

Danny Mulvihill  7:42  
Yeah. Let's talk about though. The barber school. 

Derrick Garza  7:47  
Okay

Danny Mulvihill  7:47  
Because you've been digging in like, it's cool to see you into something again, that you can pour yourself into. 

Derrick Garza  7:53  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  7:53  
We've mentioned a few or talked about this a jiu jitsu where being -- feeling productive. Like I think, the first day, I think I talked to you like, the second day I shot you message or something. Like, how was it? You know, and you're like, your response is funny. It was "I slept so good last night." 

Derrick Garza  8:11  
Yeah, man. 

Danny Mulvihill  8:12  
It was like, but somehow I just knew what you meant was that, like, you knew you were doing something, you know, instead of just like, waiting for, like, things to coalesce and come together? Yeah, you were in the, in it doing something that 

Derrick Garza  8:26  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  8:26  
Working towards so

Derrick Garza  8:27  
You know, it like kind of reminds me I've had people I've had people in my life that like don't have to work. And through conversations and stuff, I find that they're kind of listless, and they're kind of like, they get, you know, they're just like, they're never at ease when, you know, if from the from the outside perspective, you can be like, well, you don't have to do that, like you're, you're covered. But it really does say that like, as humans, I think that we when we do stuff that fulfills us, it like really gives us a calming effect in our lives, you know? So, I mean, I've said it before, I'm like, Man, I wish that I didn't have to work and that I was just like, I'm good, man. My finances are taken care of. But then, you know, even like after the gym clothes, and maybe that's a different situation because of the financial implications. Lack of.

Danny Mulvihill  9:20  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  9:21  
I still felt like really restless and like, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? And then sort of moving toward this idea of, I'm going to go to barber school. And I've been doing that for such a long time. Like I had, I had, I didn't know how to do that. But then to actually

Danny Mulvihill  9:38  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  9:38  
Like, start to chase -- oops, sorry about that. Start to chase the, like, licensing stuff. And then I'm like, Oh, this is.. this feels good. It feels good to kind of have a structure, especially from somebody that's like, kind of, in a way anti structure. Like I don't want to do this highly regimented thing. You know, and people would come to my gym and be like, When am I going to get this blue belt? When am I going to like, what is this? And I'd be like, I don't know, man. It's hard.

Danny Mulvihill  10:07  
But each time you ask it moves back at least six months

Derrick Garza  10:09  
Yeah, at least -- well fuck, I don't know about six months but you know, you.. my point is like, I've always kind of leaned more on the side of just like, like I said the flow state. Just like, whatever happens happens, you know, but then to be in this kind of somewhat regimented school. It's like, it's very calming. You know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  10:30  
It's funny, like there's this delicate balance between, it's like you're talking about not having to work. And I just finished up pretty much a year of not having to work. And while there's some amazing things about it, and a lot of good came out of this podcast is probably the one that's still most relevant that came out of that time, aside from like, just getting a break. But now that I'm also back to work now, it's, I have to make so much more efficient use of my time.

Derrick Garza  11:01  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  11:01  
And so here's the like, something I found out last week. So I've worked two weeks now. And we'll talk more about it. But 

Derrick Garza  11:08  
You're on your second week?

Danny Mulvihill  11:10  
I've completed two weeks. So yeah, so I'll be I'm in it now. But what I noticed was to get really in the zone, I knew I had to get out of my place. And so I've been actually coming to this co working spot that we're recording at now, to have a focus place to work, and just super solid internet connection.

Derrick Garza  11:27  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  11:27  
And like it's it's a chill office, like hangout workspace. And I was gone all day, working this last week. And then one day, I came home and it was like, the girls wanted to do something.. wanted to hang out. And because I was gone all day, it was a lot easier for me to just like fully commit

Derrick Garza  11:48  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  11:48  
To that time we had together. Whereas I'm like, I was a Tuesday night. And I was like, if I had been working here all day, I bet I probably would have tried to like finagle go into jiu jitsu or something

Derrick Garza  11:58  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  11:58  
You know, like, being gone. It helped me zone in on that time. And I was like, wow, this is an unexpected benefit of busy. 

Derrick Garza  12:08  
Yeah, it's like almost not having the time, not having as much time makes you realize how precious that is.

Danny Mulvihill  12:17  
Yeah, you gotta get shit done when there's time available. 

Derrick Garza  12:19  
Right. And even that even more on top of that, it's like, you would have been around your daughters, you know, and I no doubt I know you love them. But we've just become complacent, like, you know, you're just like, because we're humans, we have to deal with the new sense of like, taking care of other humans.

Danny Mulvihill  12:38  
Yeah 

Derrick Garza  12:39  
And so we're like, fuck. It just got gets frustrating. And you know, you just, but when you get away from your daughter's to say you go travel, and

Danny Mulvihill  12:47  
Yeah 

Derrick Garza  12:47  
I'm just using your daughters as an example. I'm not specifically saying but you go travel, and you come back and you're like, God, I love those people so much like I want to have all the time and but you got to go do stuff. So, you know, I liked the idea of working from home, man. And I mean, I think that, that's great. And, you know, we read that book, The War of Art

Danny Mulvihill  13:09  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  13:09  
By Steven Pressfield. 

Danny Mulvihill  13:10  
Yep. 

Derrick Garza  13:11  
And that really taught me like, how to approach life, like, as a professional. So you know, I've been doing kind of life for a long time where I don't go to an office, I kind of just was teaching and now I go, like, go to school. And when I'm a barber, like fully full licensed

Danny Mulvihill  13:28  
Yes

Derrick Garza  13:28  
I'll still make my own schedule. And, you know, when I first started doing, I was like, I don't get out of like, my board shorts, and I go to.. I go to the store and sandals and stuff. And then reading that was like, but if you get up and you approach your life, like as a, like a professional, whatever you dictate that is -- it's really going to reflect like, the internal structure in your own life. And so I like that, you know

Danny Mulvihill  13:54  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  13:54  
I like that idea of like, you create your own framework for what you think professionalism looks like. And the rest of like, the more leisurely life will follow that it like, it balances it out in some way. You know what I mean? So I think it's cool man to be able to get up and go, Yeah, I'm gonna go to work. It's your own thing. You've kind of made your own way. But also, like, you made your own way. 

Danny Mulvihill  13:56  
Yeah. And just to kind of reiterate on The War of Art, I remember you actually introduced me to that book. And I remember when you had asked about it, I was like, I just.. I was like, for sure he means the art of war?

Derrick Garza  14:38  
That's an awesome book too. 

Danny Mulvihill  14:39  
He's a fucking jiu jitsu guy like, I'm like, I'm like you mean the art of war by Sun Tzu? And you're like, No, no, it really is the War of Art. I'm like, what? And he let me borrow it actually back when we lived at the downs.

Derrick Garza  14:50  
At the downs. Chevy Chase downs. 

Danny Mulvihill  14:52  
And yeah, that book, man for anybody who hasn't read it like even if you're not trying to carve your own path and be a professional, you know, just, it's such a, it cuts through the bullshit so fast and it I like it style, it's really easy to read, there's like, you know, probably 80, two to five page little chapters

Derrick Garza  15:12  
Right

Danny Mulvihill  15:12  
So you can just read one and be done. It's not like sometimes nonfiction or personal growth books like you got to, you got to kind of be at a certain like level 

Derrick Garza  15:22  
Right 

Danny Mulvihill  15:23  
To even pick it up, you got to be like, Okay, here I go. And that book is a lot easier to just pick up,

Derrick Garza  15:29  
Yeah, what I like about it.. it's like, it's not like New Age language. 

Danny Mulvihill  15:35  
Yeah, he does cut through a lot of it too. 

Derrick Garza  15:38  
It's pretty much it's like, if you want to accomplish this, do this. Look at it in this way. And I, you know, it's like with life coaches, and a lot of the modern, modern ways in which people elevate themselves. It's a lot of internet, like a lot of jargon that comes with that. And I think some of that can really push people away. Because it's like, okay, well get to my level first, you know, and then we can, then you can absorb some of the ideas that are that are being taught to you. But to have a book in which it's like, you know, it's really kind of dumbed down. You know what I mean? Like, that's who needs it.

Danny Mulvihill  16:16  
It's like a gateway drug to like, personal growth

Derrick Garza  16:19  
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If anybody that needs to grow, in a way, I don't think you talk to them at the high level you go, you come down to their level a little bit to kind of elevate them, you know what I mean? And so that was one of those books that, I mean, I thought for sure, like, I've always looked at you, like, you're very well read. You like read. And, you know, I was like, Oh, this guy definitely knows about this, you know, and I've gifted that book, you know, a couple of times and let people read it. And it's such an easy read that I'm like, I feel like I'm trying to be like, hey, look, I'm smart. Look at this. But if you read it, it's like, it's a fantastic -- it's fantastic.

Danny Mulvihill  16:56  
Yeah 

Derrick Garza  16:56  
It's a really good book. So highly recommend that. For people that.. I don't know, that have trouble with the motivation, the internal motivation to do things for self

Danny Mulvihill  17:07  
Overcoming the resistance.

Derrick Garza  17:09  
Yeah, that's always I mean, dude, and all the things that I've done, whether it's, you know,Dark Client label, or working at East Side, or Paragon or Dark Line fight lab, you've always been the friend that's just like, "Fuck the resistance." For those that not in the know, it's just like, the maybe internal, maybe external force of stopping you in your tracks when you're trying to accomplish something that is probably important to you.

Danny Mulvihill  17:34  
Yeah, it's, you can use the resistance, a bit like a compass, you know, kind of in the same way that you can use fear. Like, usually, when you're feeling resistant to do something. It's a pretty strong sign, you should do it.

Derrick Garza  17:47  
Well, I would say I would go one step further. It's like, recognize the resistance, and then really dictate which side -- let it let it dictate what side you really want to do. Because sometimes the resistance comes up and you're like, Okay, maybe it's tell me not to do the thing. We don't do it. Maybe it's telling me to do the thing. We don't do it. But it's just an indicator, I think of like, something needs to be looked at. It needs to be examined. You know what I mean? I do like the idea of like, if you're fucking scared, you should do it. It's cool. But I'm also in my 40s now and I'm like, I'm not jumping off that fucking cliff, like no, thank you

Danny Mulvihill  18:22  
Well that and like, one realization that is impacting me regularly is this idea of trade offs, like I can't, I don't get to be great at everything. You know, I mean, really, I'll be lucky to be great at a single thing. You know, so it's like really trying to.. I've had to pick a few things and be like, Okay, that's cool. I don't have time to do that right now. Like, I gotta let that one go.

Derrick Garza  18:48  
I will say this, because that really just brought something up to me. I'm like, But you are, you can be great at something you can be. And this is gonna sound stupid and cheesy, but I'm gonna fucking say it. 

Danny Mulvihill  18:57  
Okay

Derrick Garza  18:57  
You can be great at being Danny Mulvihill. 

Danny Mulvihill  18:59  
Sure 

Derrick Garza  19:00  
And Danny Mulvihill is interested in and I'm talking like, I'm the third person, but I was interested in doing all these things, which, you know, it's like really being efficient at being yourself, you know what I mean? And I think because of that, and really like, building yourself up like that, then I think whatever you're gonna do, you're gonna do it to a certain level that is great for your level. You know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  19:23  
Yeah, I mean, I agree. Like, that's a foundational piece, you know, we have to know that we are enough and only we can be the best version of you know, who we are. But then there's this like, say, if that's the meta level, then you got like the just practical stuff like I want to be good at jiu jitsu. I want to have some financial freedom. I want to be good at this career. This direction. I'm going here. I wanted to be good at the podcast and like

Derrick Garza  19:51  
Yeah 

Danny Mulvihill  19:51  
Oh, and I have kids and I have a wife, like a broader family and so 

Derrick Garza  19:55  
Well you definitely -- yeah, you definitely have a lot.

Danny Mulvihill  19:56  
You have to.. so there can't be too many extracurriculars in there, you know?

Derrick Garza  20:02  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  20:03  
Like jiu jitsu is a stalwart that will always be there. But I have had to turn down the dial on that a lot. 

Derrick Garza  20:09  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  20:09  
You know, like I started out the year training almost every single day, I think out of 75 days I trained 70 of them.

Derrick Garza  20:16  
Keep that 75

Danny Mulvihill  20:17  
Okay

Derrick Garza  20:18  
I wanna go back to that. But so you kind of touched on a thing. And we'll circle back. You originally asked me how barber school was doing? 

Danny Mulvihill  20:25  
Yeah, what the fuck?

Derrick Garza  20:26  
No, no, it's all good. Because here we go. 

Danny Mulvihill  20:29  
Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  20:30  
It was kind of weird. Like, I had to wait six months to get in.

Danny Mulvihill  20:33  
That's right.

Derrick Garza  20:34  
And you know what, all this time I'm still doing jujitsu. I'm still trying to like, you know, make ends meet, essentially. And then, you know, there were definitely times where I'm like, What? Man did I take a step down? like, my life has been jiu jitsu for the past two plus decades. Like, that's a long time. That's my, so much of my identity is 

Danny Mulvihill  20:54  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  20:54  
Wrapped up in that, like we've talked about before. And then I'm like, and now I'm going to like, essentially just be working on hair. It's like a, like a hairstylist. And nothing's wrong with that. But I just never thought for myself, like, you know, I wanted to work my way up to being a very highly touted competitor. And once those days are done, now, I'm like, a coach. And I've, you know, I want to wanted to coach world champions and MMA fighters and to a high level, which, throughout my career, this like I have, you know? And so -- but then for it to kind of come to a screeching halt. And then to go, Okay, well, I guess the next thing I'm going to do is be a barber. Man and like, I had some doubts about it. And I was like, Is that.. is that, is that a noble thing? And then I started school, and I was like, barbers are the shit.

Danny Mulvihill  21:48  
Yeah!

Derrick Garza  21:48  
You know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  21:48  
For sure.

Derrick Garza  21:48  
Like, and not in a.. not in a, like, a grandiose way, or like, what is it like a conceited way? But I was like, then, what? Realistically, can I expect for myself, like, in my mid 40s, I'll be 45 this year. 

Danny Mulvihill  22:06  
Okay

Derrick Garza  22:06  
Like, do I keep trying to compete? Do I keep trying to push up hill? Or do I do something that allows me to do jiu jitsu, that allows me to hang out with my friends or go to whatever academy I need to go to? And not.. not, you know, just keep stressing my body? It's like

Danny Mulvihill  22:26  
Yeah 

Derrick Garza  22:26  
What's the next chapter? You know what I mean? So how to really, like, look at this and decide if, in my head had to decide, and except if this was like, a good step, because there was definitely a moment where I was like, Man, am I just doing this thing that's kind of like, easy, because it's, I want to challenge myself? You know. So, yeah, that was that was something an internal thing that I had to like, come up with, and then I've really landed on, like, I think what I'm doing is beautiful. You know, I think what I'm doing is like, allowing me to really build a skill. I can take it anywhere. I get to still have my friends come in and hang out with and like, I don't have the pressure of like keeping a giant business afloat.

Danny Mulvihill  23:14  
Yeah, how much of it, in addition to that -- those points, is having maybe grown a bit in having less of a concern what people are thinking of you, because I've gone through to give you some context, like a similar thing, where taking a year off, like when I first managed to get everything in place and and stuff with my career. I wasn't too vocal about it, but in my head, like, I was like, fuck jobs. Like, I remember

Derrick Garza  23:44  
I think you were pretty vocal about it. I'll be real honest with you. 

Danny Mulvihill  23:47  
Well, I mean, like, I was like, I remember when I was running a little bit, the beginning of the year, I would be like, I wanted to make a t shirt that said, jobs are bullshit. I think I got the idea from this Instagram guy, Paul Saladino, that his whole shtick is like, he'll take something that everybody thinks is healthy, 'Kale is bullshit!' you know.

Derrick Garza  24:03  
Okay

Danny Mulvihill  24:04  
But he's an MD. So he goes into the details of why kills bullshit. It's pretty funny. But it's like, yeah, jobs are bullshit. And then basically getting to the point where I'm like, Well, no, I need to generate some income.

Derrick Garza  24:14  
Yeah, absolutely.

Danny Mulvihill  24:14  
And I went through this similar thing of like, am I did I fail? Like, I'm, you know, I'm getting a job. I'm excited about the work that I'm going to do. But like it, I really stumbled over even like the words to use describing it. Like the word 'Job' felt kind of gross to me. Yeah, I didn't like it. And I was just like, this is weird. And what I'm driving at is part of it was realizing, I was thinking too much of what how others were perceiving me and like, I wanted to be perceived as this guy who quit and did this and built these businesses and and then facing that, that wasn't going to be the path for now was a struggle, you know, there's this.. I also had begun to identify with those concepts. So I'm wondering, well, before I get there -- what's helped me is just recognizing how much of my psyche can be consumed by like, being worried how I'm perceived or judged, or like what others think and intellectually knowing like, That's bullshit. Like, it does not matter. But there's this like, internal, like, you know, little boy, Danny, that still cares,

Derrick Garza  25:23  
Absolutely, man. We're social creatures.

Danny Mulvihill  25:24  
It's like, core emotional level, you know. So it's hard to just, you can't out think it sometimes. 

Derrick Garza  25:29  
Yeah. Like, we're social creatures. Number one, and like, peer pressure is fucking real. Culture is real. You know what I mean? Like, so many people accept, like, a certain way of living as the normal, you know, "Normal way", anything outside of that is like not so it's scary to do something that's kind of anti establishment or anti norm because you'd be ostracized, you know what I mean? Like, even if it's little ways, it's like, you know, I'll just make an example. It's like, Oh, I'm gonna wear pink pants today. Right? 

Danny Mulvihill  26:04  
Okay. 

Derrick Garza  26:04  
And so who gives a fuck? Right? Who gives a fuck about wear pink pants? But yeah, go into like, let's say, the fucking barber shop, we have all these dudes kind of hanging out. And they're all super sharp in the way that, you know, man is supposed to be men. 

Danny Mulvihill  26:18  
Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  26:18  
And they're gonna be what the fuck is this? No, no, I mean, ultimately, these pants covers my legs and who gives a fuck right?

Danny Mulvihill  26:25  
What color they are. 

Derrick Garza  26:26  
But there's a part of me that would go that could go like, Oh, fuck, these are like my peers, and they're gonna think less than me. So I can't do anything. It's weakness, you know, too, like, they're vultures, you know? And that's kind of like, in almost any way you can, like, transpose that into society. So to answer the question, man, I think number one, I've done a lot of like, talk therapy, you know

Danny Mulvihill  26:50  
Oh, yeah

Derrick Garza  26:50  
A lot. But number two, I'm like, I feel in my 40s pretty confident in myself in my ability to be the kind of person and in a loving person, that when people you know, are negative or naysayers then I go, and that probably a person probably doesn't like themselves either. 

Danny Mulvihill  27:11  
Ah, yeah

Derrick Garza  27:11  
As much as they don't like me, they probably don't like themselves either. And they won't ever admit it. Because Oh, like me less than I liked themselves. 

Danny Mulvihill  27:17  
Sure. 

Derrick Garza  27:18  
But like, you know, I look at society today, and I'm a part of it, but I feel like it's pretty damaged. It's pretty broken, man. And people seem lost. And, you know, politicized and everybody is like, they know the right way. And I'm like, we all live in different.. different realms and different situations. So it works for you, may not work for someone else. But you know, people really want to like, no! Fucking wrong way man, we'll fucking -- we'll hurt you, we'll call you out on the internet we'll do all this stuff, man. They just want to damage what's different, you know?

Danny Mulvihill  27:57  
Sure. 

Derrick Garza  27:57  
And so, about the point, I was kind of got to a point where I was like, man, really, I don't have like a big circle of friends anymore. It's like, it's pretty intimate. And I know that people that are around are like, they're my friends. You know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  28:11  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  28:11  
They really care about me. If I live if I die, if I get hurt. I'm like, so grateful that those are the people that like I can. I can help in bettering those people's lives. And then other people want to come through. And I know that like, you know, I've get to know them. And we're all good. All good, man. I'm here to do no harm, you know what I mean? But it's just been one of those things that as I've grown, I've really start to like myself a lot more. And I think that core value that you were talking about is makes it easier for me to go. And even like, fuck what other people are thinking. I mean, that seems like a response to what they're thinking anyway. It's more than I go, Hmm. Interesting. And I kind of just move about my day, you know.

Danny Mulvihill  28:57  
Sure

Derrick Garza  28:57  
So more just like a calmness about, about myself and about the life and the things that are happening around me. I mean, I don't think like me, myself, I can change the system. I can hopefully change my immediate situation and hopefully make things better for people that I love and I care about and if I see people that need help do that. But I have no illusions that I'm like, going to change anything. You know, I'm like

Danny Mulvihill  29:25  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  29:25  
Just a cog.

Danny Mulvihill  29:28  
So we need more young politicians, you know, because when I was young, I fuck yeah, I thought I could change the world. 

Derrick Garza  29:33  
Yeah. 

Danny Mulvihill  29:33  
And 

Derrick Garza  29:33  
I do appreciate that about the young, man. 

Danny Mulvihill  29:35  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  29:35  
Like, I really thought the what is the new one? Gen Z. I was like, Man, you guys are fucked. I really just taken up the internet and just like they have a voice. They're really quite aware of what's going on. And I see that I'm like, huh, so interesting. You know, like the youngest. I don't know if that's the youngest generation right now, but I was really concerned. And

Danny Mulvihill  29:59  
What are acouple of points because like I, maybe I don't have as much of a finger on the pulse, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Derrick Garza  30:04  
Well, you know, I think.. I think they're the ones that have really pushed like, tiktok. And when shit like this first comes out, you're like, What is this fucking bullshit for little kids? You know what I mean? It permeates through the whole culture. And then all of a sudden, you're like me, you're finding more information about whatever it is you want to look for through tiktok videos than like, you know, a certain demographic of search and Google, you know what I mean? And so, it's really, it's just like, man, kids, they, they kind of at the mercy of what, like adults, put them through, you know, what I mean, whether that's like law

Danny Mulvihill  30:46  
No doubt.

Derrick Garza  30:47  
Or situations. So, yes, they're still developing their frontal lobe, but also like, they have a unique perspective. You know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  30:57  
Something about youth, there's a more of a willingness to, I mean, part of it is they're less jaded. 

Derrick Garza  31:03  
Yeah, absolutely. 

Danny Mulvihill  31:04  
And but there's just this idealism, and this willingness to sort of change the world. And the more that I encounter, feeling resistant to ideas or things that happen, I'll have these little moments where I'm like, Oh, I'm like, this older generation now. You know? 

Derrick Garza  31:21  
Oh yeah. 

Danny Mulvihill  31:21  
So here's a really weird thing that happened. Not really weird. Is that we're both kind of watching this happen.. and we're like, is this cool? Is this all right? So here's what it is. Friday night, we went to Muller with the girls another experience where it's like, it was just easy to be like, Yeah, let's go do that thing and be 100% in the moment, put my phone on do not disturb, you know, that type of shit. And they had music in the park. And there's like a little amphitheater there. And the first artists, I guess, are, you know, singer guy, his name's Joe McDermott. And he does like, you know, it's like, straight up for kids. Like, but he's really good at it. Like he's good at getting the kids like

Derrick Garza  32:02  
Because you like hip hop? Or?

Danny Mulvihill  32:04  
No, no, he's like, just a singer guy, I guess guitar

Derrick Garza  32:07  
Okay, like singer songwriter? 

Danny Mulvihill  32:08  
Yeah. But like, a lot more like, engaged with the kids. You know, like, I'll stop the song, ask them questions, like, really solid at it, you know? And it's pretty cool. And we're just like, sitting back on the grass watching and they're up there having fun. And it's, is this part relevant? So like, he's saying, like, Possy is just like having a dirty mind that day. And like, every time he says something to she's like hey should he was saying that to kids? You know, because like talking about a squirt gun or something. And just like finding like stupid, dirty jokes. He's like, just fucking around. But we're just like, privately laughing about this stuff, you know. And then the second act comes on. And so it's Pride Month. And the act that comes out is part of like, this local drag queen community or something, and I missed her name. I don't know what it is. But so, fantastic act, right, like high energy. She's playing like Lady Gaga songs and like, looks like a total popstar. And it's all you know, walking around, and like getting all the kids to follow her. She's like walking through the crowd. And I'm like, overall, this is like, really cool. But she's dressed pretty slutty. I mean, like, fully, like, not a lot of skin showing. But like, it's just a really slutty outfit, you know?

Derrick Garza  33:21  
Is it just provocative or?

Danny Mulvihill  33:22  
Yeah, it's provocative like six inch shiny heels and like, all bright red and like red fish nets, and like red vinyl, like, I don't remember exactly

Derrick Garza  33:33  
So it's like theatrical. 

Danny Mulvihill  33:34  
Yeah. And so And here's the thing, like, me being an old guy, I'm like, is this awkward because it's a dude dress like a girl? And I'm like, Well, I don't think like, I really don't think that's it. Like, even if this is just some hot ass girl, dressed like this. I'd be like, how you dress like such a hoe? You know? Like, I mean, if you want to dress like that, it's cool. I'm not complaining. But it's weird that that's at a kid show.

Derrick Garza  34:01  
Okay 

Danny Mulvihill  34:01  
Like this show is like for kids. 

Derrick Garza  34:03  
It was? 

Danny Mulvihill  34:04  
Yeah.

Derrick Garza  34:04  
Okay 

Danny Mulvihill  34:05  
So the third act was still like, aware that there are children there, but it's like transitioning towards, you know, the while at least to be family oriented, like pulling the adults into the experience. What.. what is your take on this, like listening to me talk and

Derrick Garza  34:22  
Well, okay, so my immediate take is, I want to, I guess question the word 'slutty'. 

Danny Mulvihill  34:29  
Okay. 

Derrick Garza  34:29  
Or like 'hoe'.

Danny Mulvihill  34:30  
Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  34:31  
Because, you know, I think this is kind of the narrative that we have right now with like, especially with the polarity of like, the genders and like what's right and what's wrong and I think there's one aspect which I think is somebody dictates what's right for all ages, right? So like, hear me out. Somebody.. a group.

Danny Mulvihill  34:58  
Like society? 

Derrick Garza  34:59  
Yeah, like more conservative is like the view

Danny Mulvihill  35:03  
Okay

Derrick Garza  35:03  
 Like more puritanical. And then you have people that really don't adhere to that, whether they don't believe in those beliefs or they just don't think that sexuality is something to be demonized. So when I hear that I'm like, Okay, what's what? Would I want my kids to see some skin, as part of me goes, well, they're not having sex. Okay.

Danny Mulvihill  35:28  
Sure. 

Derrick Garza  35:29  
But there's another part that goes, well, what's wrong with the body? For if it's presented a certain way, everything's covered? Why do I automatically assume, like, slutty or, you know what I mean? So I like the questions that come up. Because it really, I think, progressively I'm like, what's right, and what are we just holding on to that's old values, you know what I mean? So that's kind of what I hear when I.. when I hear that, like, is it wrong? I'm like, no, maybe, maybe, maybe. The way that I brought up my son, I could have done it in a different way. Like, I really stayed away from like, sex talk. And like, even when they showed breasts on TV, like, hey, you know, you need to close your eyes. As I'm older now, I'm like, but they're just breasts. 

Danny Mulvihill  36:17  
Yeah. For sure.

Derrick Garza  36:17  
You know what I mean, they're just, they're just breast there's not do not do anything sexual. Like, if it's sex on TV, then I think 

Danny Mulvihill  36:26  
There's sort of an age. 

Derrick Garza  36:26  
Yeah, maybe if we haven't had that conversation yet. Or no, maybe our like, okay, maybe it's not appropriate. 

Danny Mulvihill  36:33  
Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  36:33  
But you know, it's kind of the thing where I'm like, man, what's right, and what's not, right. I can't even say wrong. It's just like, more appropriate.

Danny Mulvihill  36:45  
And I, you know, so I'm going through the thought experiments in my head, and we're kind of like talking about this. And, you know, I'm like, there's a part of me that knows I'm coming up, I'm trying to justify my discomfort with the situation. 

Derrick Garza  36:59  
Sure

Danny Mulvihill  36:59  
And I'm trying to like, like, hone in on where that's coming from. So I'm saying thing to do, like, defend my perspective. I'm like, Well, you know, like, I wouldn't bring my kids to a Kesha concert. And I kind of feel like, that's what we're going through right here. I like the points about I do think sexuality is demonized a little bit. And I guess my thinking is just like, so my kids are six and 10 years old right now, two daughters. And I'm just like, I'm looking at the performer. And I'm not, I don't want them to aspire to dress like this, you know, because while sexuality is beautiful, and I think beautiful, people are fucking awesome. No problems there. But it feels sometimes like, you know, with pop music, and especially the artists, you know, like, there's no ugly women pop stars. First of all, it's another topic, but it, it over emphasizes the importance of sexuality, you know, I'm afraid like, I wouldn't want to, for my daughters to get too caught up in the idea that, like, that's more important or too much of the pie. You know, like, there's, there's gotta be other things and it doesn't, you know, at the end of the day, I'm just trying to figure this all out.

Derrick Garza  38:17  
Sure

Danny Mulvihill  38:17  
I don't know. 

Derrick Garza  38:18  
Yeah. 

Danny Mulvihill  38:18  
And I just, I was kind of struck by my discomfort with the situation and, like, looking around and trying to be like, as anybody else wondering what I'm wondering, you know, like,

Derrick Garza  38:28  
I mean, absolutely, I mean, for, for the society that we live in, like, every, everything is highly sexualized, and also highly demonized, you know, I mean, it's like, they coexist with each other, and you watch foreign movies, and they're more like, polyamorous or open. They're not like, Oh, you're having sex. It's, it's so crazy, man. Like, I'll take it one step in the same direction. We have so many songs about cheating. We have so many songs about what happens to your partner what you'll do to the other person if they're caught cheating. 

Danny Mulvihill  39:07  
Oh, yeah. 

Derrick Garza  39:07  
And all of this is like, really saying, Well, you know, people are objects to own sexuality, is this thing to kill and die for. And, you know, at the end of the day, is this is this how we really want to teach people growing up, that this is what the value is? It's like life and death. Or, or, okay, somebody cheats on you, and you go, well, we're not incompatible. Fuck, let's just, I gotta find somebody that is shut out. I mean, but no, it's like, Man, I'm gonna catch a case because I gotta let the person know. They can't fuck me over like that.

Danny Mulvihill  39:45  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  39:45  
So that's what I think like, you know, especially being like in the barber shop where I hear all these like, people in these conversations talking about like, there was a guy for instance, he's married and he's like I do stuff for my wife, blah, blah, blah. And somebody was saying, Oh, you do that because you're a simp. And he's like, how am I a simp? Like, simp, simp? 

Danny Mulvihill  40:09  
Simple?

Derrick Garza  40:10  
It's.. you should look this up me because I don't want to fuck this up. I know you'll 

Danny Mulvihill  40:13  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  40:14  
It's somebody that's uh..

Danny Mulvihill  40:16  
What's the idea?

Derrick Garza  40:17  
Simping for women it's like

Danny Mulvihill  40:18  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  40:18  
Like you're going to basically boost them up to get their attention you're gonna like, like a Captain Save-a-ho 

Danny Mulvihill  40:27  
It's not a nice thing to say somebody 

Derrick Garza  40:29  
No, no and all of that to basically say like we're perpetuating all these ideas, because we won't challenge them. You know what I mean? And don't get me wrong, man. Like, I've been in relationships where I get, you know, insecure that my partner's super attractive and like, definitely eyes are on her, you know what I mean? But I've also had to look at myself and go, but why, why, why am I feeling uncomfortable? The uncomfortable feeling comes from the fact that I think she will leave me that's what it boils down to.

Danny Mulvihill  41:01  
That's the -- yeah, that's the thing, what I was thinking when you're describing that, as you know, I'd much rather deal with any discomfort from having a super hot partner than like being with somebody unattractive.

Derrick Garza  41:12  
I mean, you say that, but then also like, but then you deal with the actual thing of like, Fuck, I don't know how to deal with this. 

Danny Mulvihill  41:19  
Sure. 

Derrick Garza  41:19  
Especially you haven't? Like, you know, both you and I were were raised and brought up in, you know, what's considered broken homes, homes of divorced parents.

Danny Mulvihill  41:29  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  41:30  
And because of that, you oftentimes get a kind of a skewed view, whether it's more masculine or feminine. And so I didn't really know what healthy relationships and that jealousy could be healthy. If it's expressed, right? I know what toxic jealousy looks like, you know, where I'm like, its possession. And I', like

Danny Mulvihill  41:50  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  41:50  
No, no. And then the other thing where I'm like, Oh, I can talk to my partner about it and go, you know, I'm feeling I'm feeling pretty jealous right now. I'm feeling I'm feeling pretty insecure right now. And we talked about that. But being that takes so much work.

Danny Mulvihill  42:03  
Yeah 

Derrick Garza  42:03  
It takes so much work. And to be honest with you, I don't think most people want to do that work. They like they want to uphold the standards that they deem society thinks men are or women are, you know what I mean? So

Danny Mulvihill  42:16  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  42:17  
When I hear to come back to that, when I hear like slut, or hoe, I'm like, What's wrong with being a slut?

Danny Mulvihill  42:24  
Sure. Yeah, I mean, I guess what's wrong with it is just purely that. As a society, we look at it as a bad thing. And in fairness, typically, if a woman is really overly promiscuous, that is based in some personal issue, probably like, or even if a guy is overly promiscuous, like if a guys just hooking up with everybody. Either way. I think we all go through phases where there's a lot of experimentation, and that's probably not probably that's, that's great. We should go through that. But I think when there's a sustained promiscuity, and lack of connection, then I think that's probably based in something that needs to be worked on. But when somebody's done that work, if they choose to have lots of partners 

Derrick Garza  43:13  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  43:13  
And, and enjoy it, then then I think that's fantastic. Like, that's,

Derrick Garza  43:18  
I'm really glad that you brought that other points up, because I thought we got to where we're gonna land where you're just like, Okay, well, that's just, but then for you to go. Yeah, and some people really do the work to make themselves whole people. That do not need other people to validate them. And they still choose to have multiple partners or be promiscuous or even do sex work. You know what I mean? Like, that's a big thing these days.

Danny Mulvihill  43:40  
That's a crazy one to think about. Yeah,

Derrick Garza  43:42  
I mean, like, there was a part of like, me, when like, only fans really became a thing. You know, I'm like, Man, these chicks are like, I don't know how I feel about this. Like, I want to give them attention. Yeah, but also I'm like, are we helping the cause? Are we helping any cause we help in society? And the more that I've been like, around it. I'm like, the more I realized that none of my fucking business.

Danny Mulvihill  44:08  
Sure, yeah. Like if I don't agree with it, then don't subscribe or 

Derrick Garza  44:11  
Exactly.

Danny Mulvihill  44:12  
It sounds like a subscription model. 

Derrick Garza  44:13  
Yeah, only fans is a subscription model. 

Danny Mulvihill  44:15  
Okay. Yeah, it sounds like a bunch of people did quite well.

Derrick Garza  44:20  
Especially, I mean, fuck, I would, I would naysay it, but living in the fucking society with the inflation going on today. Like you can make money, basically, from your home. And I can't even say it's like, just doing the easiest shit because a lot of these like cam models and Instagram and only fans girls are like, full on photoshoots, paying photographers, going on location. 

Danny Mulvihill  44:49  
Oh, yeah. 

Derrick Garza  44:50  
Like, yeah, it's like it's turned into a business. 

Danny Mulvihill  44:52  
Yeah, exactly. 

Derrick Garza  44:53  
Where it's not just like, you know, some girl in her room -- that still happens. 

Danny Mulvihill  45:00  
But she's probably not at the top level making big bucks. 

Derrick Garza  45:04  
It's just weird to see how it's changed the game for like, you know, income and, and I think the tip of the spear it's like a lot of younger people who again are like kind of 

Danny Mulvihill  45:18  
Willing to push the boundaries a bit. 

Derrick Garza  45:19  
And without even knowing that they're doing it. They're just kind of doing it. 

Danny Mulvihill  45:22  
Yeah, there's, that's a, I think a big part. 

Derrick Garza  45:23  
You know what I mean, so that way, I'm like, wow, these fucking kids are brave man. And not like kids, like you know, underage. That's not what I mean. But like, the younger adults are brave.

Danny Mulvihill  45:34  
18 to 25 Feels like kids to me, for the most part, I meet some people in that range that like, definitely have a more mature attitude. 

Derrick Garza  45:40  
Right. Right. 

Danny Mulvihill  45:41  
But usually, I think of that as a kid

Derrick Garza  45:44  
Yeah. But I mean, even think about like, what would have happened, you know, 15 years ago, if like, you had a sex tape, you know what I mean? Like, right, you know what I mean? It's like, so taboo. 

Danny Mulvihill  45:55  
Sure

Derrick Garza  45:56  
And now it's like, you know

Danny Mulvihill  45:57  
You don't? Well, like, one thing that's weird, too, is, you know, when we grew up, there wasn't.. everything didn't end up on the internet, you know, you could go to a party, be a dumb ass, you take all sorts of mistakes, like, get in fights, and there's never video or photographic evidence of any of this, you know, and now there's generations coming up where everything's recorded. And I think we just have a little bit more awareness of that, and maybe can act a little bit differently. Because, you know, like, somebody's got a camera, not like, going around trying to be a criminal or anything, but like, you can't just be fucking around, because somebody's going to catch that shit on tape.

Derrick Garza  46:42  
The way I look at it, or the way that I can kind of describe it as like, would call the the invention of the internet, like the light of the tunnel, you know what I mean? And, you know, you have the older generation, like the boomers, those guys are furthest back, and they don't see the light. And we're in a time where we can, we can see we have enough light in the cave, to see that we lived life like that. And we have a good vantage point to see what it looks like on the other side. So you know

Danny Mulvihill  47:11  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  47:11  
Our age, the late 30s and 40s Gen X, you know, is like, we know, both sides, we.. we were not at the tip of it. But we came from a position of we were here before it, we knew what it was to play outside. 

Danny Mulvihill  47:26  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  47:27  
Go on bikes and adventures. And these kids are like, you know, like Bane.. they're born into it. So they're, they're really pushing boundaries that they don't even know were there. 

Danny Mulvihill  47:40  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  47:40  
They're just living, you know what I mean? So it's cool. You know, it's, like I said earlier, like, to see the the generation in which I'm just like, You guys are pretty fucking amazing. You guys are doing like, advocacy work, you know what I mean? And, and without even knowing that you're doing -- you're not scared. You know what I mean? What I really like about that, that generation is that they're just like, Oh, you're not gonna treat me right? You're not gonna pay me? Like, no, not gonna do it. You know what I mean? We're, I think we came from the generation. It's like, we keep grinding, grinding, grinding, grinding. And hopefully you make it work. And they're just like, you know, I guess can be seen either way. But, yeah, we're not going to do that, you know? And so I'm like, Well, you need this, you need the new generation to be kind of aware of what's going on in society and how it's changing. And to be brave enough to do something about it. Maybe they're lemmings? I don't know, maybe they're headed for the fucking cliff. I don't know. But I'm really looking at him like, Man, those kids are they they're onto something, you know?

Danny Mulvihill  48:41  
And to kind of loopback. And I think, part of the point that comes to my mind, at least when you say this is how much trouble businesses are having to hire people. And I feel like a lot of, we'll call this the younger generation, has just come to the realization like, I'm not going to work for your.. like to be treated like shit. 

Derrick Garza  49:00  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  49:00  
For not very much money. I see your balance sheet as see that you guys are killing it. Like, why can't we get a little bit more of that action. And, you know, only fans being one option, there's a lot more opportunities to make money online. And with a little bit more creativity that people are not just going to work and I look around at businesses like so.. Kylie won like a red, not Red Robin, Chili's gift card or something. And so she wanted to take us to dinner. 

Derrick Garza  49:27  
Oh nice!

Danny Mulvihill  49:27  
And 

Derrick Garza  49:28  
Very sweet. 

Danny Mulvihill  49:29  
Yeah, totally. She was stoked. And so we go to Chili's. And it's just weird. Like, how not busy it was. Yeah, it was like a.. an evening, you know, it should have been pretty packed and it wasn't busy, but we still had to wait like 15 minutes to sit down because they don't have enough staff. And I'm just like, you know, Possy I was like, how long is this place going to be open for you know

Derrick Garza  49:52  
Yeah man.

Danny Mulvihill  49:52  
These places can't sustain this.

Derrick Garza  49:55  
It's one of those things. It's like you so the timeline mine for like, slaying these giants is kind of long because they've been around and they're they're very deeply rooted. 

Danny Mulvihill  50:05  
They're going to start falling hard and fast.

Derrick Garza  50:06  
I think they're already falling out, you know what I mean? Or they're going to pivot and find ways to like, capture these

Danny Mulvihill  50:14  
Some will. 

Derrick Garza  50:14  
Yeah, yeah. But I think I mean, you know, you've seen how many businesses have gone out of business, I mean, corporations that are in trouble, or like, it's just a different, the waters just shifted so drastically over the past, you know, 15 years, but then the pandemic happened. And in the past two or three years, it's been a whole fucking different ballgame. You know what I mean? It's like, it's just, it's different. And people are like, we're gonna take advantage of capitalism, the way that these corporations have taken advantage of workers and people and it's like, it's a.. it's a power grab right now, you know what I mean? But they still have that -- this, the corporations have bigger, they still have the money. But I mean, you know, nobody is above getting it. You know, fuck we got Elon Musk. I mean, that dude gets, he gets upheld by like, his stans as you will. And then people are like, checking him, like, kids are checking that dude and just being like, here's facts. Here's

Danny Mulvihill  51:17  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  51:17  
You know what I mean? Like, they're not afraid. That's what I'm saying. They're like, they're not afraid to like challenge the standard and the norm, which, you know, you look at the younger shows, euphoria. And that's a pretty popular show, younger kids on HBO. And they're talking about like, polyamorous relationships, they're talking about transgender and transgender people and all the pronouns and stuff. And older people are like, fuck that. There's only two. I'm not I'm not doing that. I refused. Or like, okay, dinosaur, but you won't be around. And we are we are growing in this direction. And so I like.. I'm sitthing back, because I like the observatory role. And I just go like, Oh, this is fucking interesting right here. You know? 

Danny Mulvihill  52:09  
Maybe like, you have a better pulse on this stuff, too. Because the pronouns thing. And my response is usually like, I just, I never really thought about it much. I'm like, why? And when I don't get is why, you know, like, all these apps now, ask you what your pronouns are. And I'm like, why are we doing this? Like, what

Derrick Garza  52:30  
Because of visibility

Danny Mulvihill  52:32  
So what? I guess.. I will let me

Derrick Garza  52:36  
Well, let me

Danny Mulvihill  52:37  
Pretend that I am, well, no, I am the dinosaur now.

Derrick Garza  52:39  
Okay 

Danny Mulvihill  52:39  
So like, help me but I'm an open minded dinosaur. So help me understand the value and everybody communicating their pronouns to each other.

Derrick Garza  52:46  
Think about it like this, Danny. What if all your life you have never, you've always felt not included? And everything that we do going forward is still that way. You know, and at some point, maybe you go to a coffee shop, and they're like, oh, you're a.. Danny Mulvihill. And you're like, oh, fuck I'm seen, I'm seen, you know what I mean, then you would be like, Oh, I love the way this feels, man. Like, I feel safe. And so as kids are growing up, and they're discovering their sexuality, they may not even land on that. So you know, as finality, but what's the harm? You know what I mean? What's the harm? People think it's harm because it's like, oh, that's not in the Bible. And it's like

Danny Mulvihill  53:29  
Not me, that's not my perspective. 

Derrick Garza  53:30  
Yeah, but what I'm saying is, like, from a puritanical point of view and culture "In God, we trust" it's on our fucking dollar bills.

Danny Mulvihill  53:38  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  53:38  
That's gonna be the thing, you know, old white men running shit. You know, we went to, I won't get off on a tangent. But my point is, is like, there are, I think right now, the highest percentage of the kids dying is suicide and handguns.

Danny Mulvihill  54:00  
Like 

Derrick Garza  54:01  
So 

Danny Mulvihill  54:02  
killing themselves with handguns?

Derrick Garza  54:04  
So those two. There are two things two separate things. Suicide is on the rise with teenagers

Danny Mulvihill  54:09  
Okay. 

Derrick Garza  54:10  
And handguns. You know, like having guns.

Danny Mulvihill  54:12  
So being murdered? 

Derrick Garza  54:12  
It could be. Could be violence, could be suicide

Danny Mulvihill  54:15  
Or accidental?

Derrick Garza  54:15  
Could be self inflicted. My point is, is there are kids that grow up and they're bullied, because they're different because they have different sexuality. 

Danny Mulvihill  54:27  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  54:27  
You know, not to say too much, but like, my, my partner, she deals with this, you know what I mean? She's like,

Danny Mulvihill  54:33  
Right

Derrick Garza  54:33  
She's dealing with kids with substance abuse issues, who don't know, who are in the closet, their parents are not supportive of that and they're very scared. And so she, she'll ask them, you know, like, what, what's your preferred pronoun? And, and, are we allowed to talk about this in front of your parents because there's something there, they know.

Danny Mulvihill  54:55  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  54:55  
And so to get back to loop around, it's like, for you and me, it doesn't but it doesn't fucking matter. Like, we're not affected by this. But for somebody that's on the verge of like, who knows if they're gonna muster to go on or not like, it's inclusive.

Danny Mulvihill  55:12  
So is, is the idea than that by me joining the Zoom meeting and putting he/him that communicates to somebody who's maybe what is it they/them 

Derrick Garza  55:23  
Could be

Danny Mulvihill  55:24  
Or it could be like a guy that just feels more like a woman and so 

Derrick Garza  55:27  
Sure 

Danny Mulvihill  55:27  
He prefers or.. prefers to go by like, she?

Derrick Garza  55:30  
It's both, it's both. It's like, number one, you're, you're respecting somebody's like, but if you put it on there, you're letting people know, this is what you are. And this is what you prefer. 

Danny Mulvihill  55:39  
Okay

Derrick Garza  55:40  
And if somebody does that, and you adhere to what they're asking, it's like, you know, almost like a sign of respect. Like, you're saying, this boy, let's just, let's just go, a boy decides that he wants to be a girl, 

Danny Mulvihill  55:53  
Okay

Derrick Garza  55:54  
And he's like, I go by she, I go by this girl name, whatever it is. And you go, okay, or the other and I go, Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. But it happens.

Danny Mulvihill  56:06  
Really?

Derrick Garza  56:06  
It happens so much. I mean, think about in society, how much? How much there's violence against the LBJ -- LBGTQ?

Danny Mulvihill  56:14  
I never, I can never say that the first try. 

Derrick Garza  56:16  
Yeah, I'm pretty bad. 

Danny Mulvihill  56:18  
Gotta work on the branding. Anyways.

Derrick Garza  56:19  
So you know, it's, it's just one of those things that as people are finding themselves, man, it's like, we're all here on planet Earth. And I'm sure we all want to be seen like

Danny Mulvihill  56:32  
I get that. So it sounds like there's two sides to like, one of them is, so maybe there's this biological boy who feels more like a girl. And but doesn't obviously look like a woman. You know, maybe they still kind of like, most people be like, Hey, what's up dude? Or hey, man

Derrick Garza  56:48  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  56:48  
And because that's not in alignment with how they feel. They want to be able to list their pronouns so that I know that they prefer to be she.

Derrick Garza  56:57  
Yeah 

Danny Mulvihill  56:58  
What about.. should I -- so when I see this, I'm always like, it just feels stupid for me to put he him like, I feel like, I don't feel like I need to communicate that to anybody. But maybe what I was missing before is by me doing that. I'm saying like, I'm totally okay with calling you she or so like I'm creating some support system is maybe part of it.

Derrick Garza  57:21  
I think that's, that's accurate. Like, for myself, like I don't usually offer that because I don't don't think about it. I'm not like you need to call me he.. he/him. But you know, if I'm in a group, and ally group for the LBGTQ plus community, I got that, then I may, you know, as a sign of support, be like, Okay, this is I will adhere to the things you're asking, you know what I mean? So, do I think you need to do it? No, I don't think you need to, like, pretty sure we go by he and him with you. Danny Mulvihill.

Danny Mulvihill  57:55  
Yeah, that's my preference, and I hope it's obvious, 

Derrick Garza  57:59  
But that's the thing. That's their preference. Also 

Danny Mulvihill  58:02  
Yeah, sure

Derrick Garza  58:02  
And it may not be as obvious. And so

Danny Mulvihill  58:04  
So that's the thing. They don't have the advantage of it being obvious

Derrick Garza  58:09  
Right. And I mean, I, we did, we did a, I guess like a workshop with one of our friends, Marissa Rivera, and she is a therapist counselor for a lot of that community. 

Danny Mulvihill  58:26  
Okay

Derrick Garza  58:26  
And so, you know, it was really cool. We got to ask a lot of questions, because there's just some things like, like, I want to be an ally. I want to be, you know, an advocate. But also, like, sometimes I don't fucking know. I'm like, I'm kind of I'm not in the in the community. 

Danny Mulvihill  58:42  
Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  58:42  
So how would I know? You know what I mean? Like, some kind of the same way where, why do I.. why does it matter if I do this, or I don't do this. And so she goes, gave me some perspective in which I'm like, okay, I can respect that. You know, what I mean? Like, as opposed to just 

Danny Mulvihill  58:58  
What was it because I like..

Derrick Garza  58:59  
I mean, it happens such a while back

Danny Mulvihill  59:01  
Sure

Derrick Garza  59:01  
But it's questions like this, where, like, does it matter if I put it? Do you know, what if it's.. it's what if somebody who's non binary, you know what I mean? What it was somebody who is asexual?

Danny Mulvihill  59:11  
What, so asexual, that.. is this a biological thing? Or like, what would asexual mean?

Derrick Garza  59:19  
My understanding, so, you know, I don't 

Danny Mulvihill  59:22  
Because it doesn't that mean.. like, I mean, in biology, I think that means like, a real self reproducing organism.

Derrick Garza  59:27  
No. Yes, I think that's what it means. But I think asexual is like, within the realm of sexuality, that they're not interested in sex. 

Danny Mulvihill  59:36  
Oh, period?

Derrick Garza  59:37  
Yes. So unnecessarily that they consider themselves like without, you know, picking one side or the other. It's just

Danny Mulvihill  59:45  
They're just not interested in that at all. 

Derrick Garza  59:47  
And there's a I believe, demi? Demisexual, which is like 

Danny Mulvihill  59:52  
Okay, what's that mean?

Derrick Garza  59:53  
They're interested in, and a vast variety. You know what I mean? It's not just like, I'm gay or

Danny Mulvihill  59:58  
Oh, like a demigod or 

Derrick Garza  1:00:00  
Honestly, man, I don't want to misquote it

Danny Mulvihill  1:00:02  
Sure

Derrick Garza  1:00:02  
But it's like, no, it's pansexual. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:00:05  
Ah, okay, I've heard that phrase.

Derrick Garza  1:00:07  
Yeah, pansexual. And they're interested in not only the sexual aspect, but I believe the romantic part of like, either gender.

Danny Mulvihill  1:00:16  
Okay 

Derrick Garza  1:00:16  
So like, I'm attracted to what I'm attracted to. And so these are the questions that I was kind of asking like, Man, I feel like, I try to be an open minded person. And I don't know, like,

Danny Mulvihill  1:00:28  
They never like the one about the the asexual or like a lack of interest that had never even occurred to me that like, I guess I could conceivably think that probably out of almost a billion people, a couple of people like that exist

Derrick Garza  1:00:39  
Like two or three.

Danny Mulvihill  1:00:40  
Yeah, I mean, but like, is that it?

Derrick Garza  1:00:43  
Yeah, no I'm just kidding about that. Hyperbolic, right?

Danny Mulvihill  1:00:47  
Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  1:00:48  
Yeah. But you know, these things kind of come out a lot of times, also, when people get into relationships, and you realize, like, let's just say you have a very high sex drive, right? And then all of a sudden, you're having these problems, because your partner won't have sex with you. And you're just like, what? Do you not love me, do you but the person's like, I love you intensely. I'm just not interested in how, like, 

Danny Mulvihill  1:01:10  
I don't like to fuck all the time

Derrick Garza  1:01:11  
I don't like to fuck, pretty much at all. And so then, you know, now you have that

Danny Mulvihill  1:01:15  
That'd be weird, so yeah, I mean, that's a relationship. 

Derrick Garza  1:01:18  
Well, yes. So maybe what if the person's like, but I'm open to being polyamorous.

Danny Mulvihill  1:01:24  
So you could go satisfy that elsewhere.

Derrick Garza  1:01:27  
Right, right. So it's really kind of, I really think it's interesting because it takes the norms kind of turns them on their head and goes, but your relationship, whatever that may be, doesn't have to look like anybody else's like as long as it works for you 

Danny Mulvihill  1:01:42  
And it's not hurting anybody else. 

Derrick Garza  1:01:43  
Well, that's there's a thing in the polyamory, polyamorous community called ethical non monogamy. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:01:50  
Okay

Derrick Garza  1:01:50  
And so ethical non monogamy is essentially like, there's several ways to do this. There's like the, which I don't adhere to the Don't Ask, Don't Tell. And there's kitchen table polyamory, which is basically like, you're gonna let all your partners know what's going on.

Danny Mulvihill  1:02:06  
Yeah, nobody's gonna think that you're their one

Derrick Garza  1:02:08  
Right. There's hierarchies, there's anarchy. There's like a lot of

Danny Mulvihill  1:02:12  
Hierarchy?

Derrick Garza  1:02:13  
Yeah. So like, let's say, I have a primary partner. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:02:16  
Oh, okay. 

Derrick Garza  1:02:17  
That's my primary and everybody else. Besides that, it's kind of just like, my constellations. Sure. And so maybe my, between my primary partner and myself, we agree that we're not going to start relationships we'll

Danny Mulvihill  1:02:32  
Right

Derrick Garza  1:02:33  
We'll satisfy our sexual needs, but we're not going to, you know, fall in love 

Danny Mulvihill  1:02:37  
Have a second girlfriend or 

Derrick Garza  1:02:38  
But some partners are like, that's totally cool if you do.

Danny Mulvihill  1:02:42  
you can totally have those deep romantic relationships with other people, wow.

Derrick Garza  1:02:46  
And so there's just different iterations of what relationships can be. And I think all this has really come about, like, probably within the past, I don't know, man. It's been going on throughout history,

Danny Mulvihill  1:02:59  
Sure

Derrick Garza  1:02:59  
People kind of like, don't talk about it.

Danny Mulvihill  1:03:01  
It's a lot more mainstream now. 

Derrick Garza  1:03:03  
It's a lot more mainstream.

Danny Mulvihill  1:03:04  
Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  1:03:04  
Yeah. And so people are just finding really what works for them. And that's what kind of why I'm like, these kids are fucking amazing. These young adults are just, they're pushing the boundaries, you know, like it was talking about this euphoria show. It's set in high school. And, you know, their girls are interested in girls and also kind of both, and they're doing the open thing, and they know about each about it. And so this, like I said, it trickles out into the culture. And I don't look at it as like, just directly, fucking challenges, puritanical beliefs, but it kind of does. You know, I don't think it

Danny Mulvihill  1:03:42  
Puritanical in itself is just that. Clearly, it's stuck. It's doesn't evolve.

Derrick Garza  1:03:48  
Yeah, it's conservative for reasons.

Danny Mulvihill  1:03:50  
Sure

Derrick Garza  1:03:50  
You know what I mean, the whole, the whole meaning of the word is to conserve 

Danny Mulvihill  1:03:54  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:03:55  
And preserve the traditions, you know what I mean? And then you have like, these more progressive type of, you know, ways of living, in which they're like, Well, fuck, I wasn't born into that system, of which, you know, for me, for instance, like I had a hard time with relationships being like, the nuclear family, father, mother, we live in the same household product of divorce. Excuse me, so it's easier for me to go well, I saw my mom with a different person. My dad had a different wife and we all had this big family, so it's easier to go "That's what families look like" as opposed to like, I can't really speak to you have one mom and one Dad, you guys go do softball on the weekends, whatever. So all that to say, man, it's just.. you know, I think it's fascinating time for people's personal growth.

Danny Mulvihill  1:04:55  
Yeah. Yeah, before I forget, so what and we.. not to linger on this too much

Derrick Garza  1:05:00  
Sure

Danny Mulvihill  1:05:00  
But the pronouns thing. So there's somebody who's a guy or a boy or a male, but feels more like a woman kind of wants to be addressed that way. And then there's this they/them. What is that? Who is? Who's somebody who might say to them to other people, I'd prefer you refer to me as they/them?

Derrick Garza  1:05:23  
Maybe somebody who's asexual, maybe somebody.

Danny Mulvihill  1:05:26  
So that can be somebody who's just not too interested. That's one. Not necessarily everybody.

Derrick Garza  1:05:31  
It does get confusing. You know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  1:05:33  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:05:33  
Like, I can be born, you can look at me, I can have male genitalia. And in my head, I'm like, I don't.. I don't feel like a man. I don't feel it. But sometimes I don't feel like a woman. I don't know what I feel like. And then I go, Okay, well, what do you want to be referred to as, I go they or them. And if I'm still finding myself, maybe that's a resting place for now. Can it change? Absolutely. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:06:01  
Sure. 

Derrick Garza  1:06:01  
And that's the thing. It's like, we're dynamic people. So even if we don't agree with, you know, people picking this has their way. Like, why can't it be a resting place while they figure out who they are, you know, like, everybody's on their own path, you know

Danny Mulvihill  1:06:20  
Sure

Derrick Garza  1:06:20  
So it just made me think like, what I -- so, my sister, my half sister.

Danny Mulvihill  1:06:28  
I was like, you have a sister? What the?

Derrick Garza  1:06:29  
So we have a lot of extended family, but she is a full on lesbian, she's gay, part of the community. And, you know, has identified as that since she was a little girl.

Danny Mulvihill  1:06:40  
Okay

Derrick Garza  1:06:40  
You know what I mean, she's kind of grew up and she's playing baseball with my, with my other brother, my half brother. And so, you know, growing up with that, it was just easier. I'm like, Laura's my bro. You know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  1:06:52  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:06:53  
Like, I never like looked at her like, Oh, she's so feminine, or whatever. It's like she like she was hanging around with our siblings, our brothers

Danny Mulvihill  1:07:01  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:07:01  
We're all kind of rough around her and stuff. And so it was just easy for me to go. Yeah, that's just what it is. You know what I mean? And I think a lot of times people.. if they don't have it in their life, and it doesn't enter the life at all, they go, What the fuck is this? No, we're gonna we need to purge that out. Maybe we can change that. Or, you know,

Danny Mulvihill  1:07:22  
Why do you think people react so powerfully sometimes to like, say the, the pronoun thing. I feel like that's something that some people could get, like, really aggressively confrontational about? Why.. why do you suppose I get a little more comical about that. I don't like, I don't fucking like get silly. Sometimes. Not very.. I'll use language that's not super supportive. But I don't get too aggressive. And it's not to like, say like, I'm so good. I am so open minded because straight up I'm not.

Derrick Garza  1:07:56  
So, we live in a violent culture, though, we live in a culture that really, you know, it leaves on the fact that we can own guns. I mean, we're having a lot of situations in which violence is a.. is an option. You know what I mean? Instead of discord. You know, instead of us discussing things people go, I don't fucking agree with that, you know, a couple years ago, it's like, I don't fucking agree with that. I'm gonna go shoot up a gay nightclub. And so, you know, people see that and they go, Oh, that's an option, and it becomes an option. So I think people can make these very rash decisions to like, you know, introduce violence, into a situation and have access. And not everybody is is up for being open minded. And, okay, let me learn some shit. Some people are just like, I don't give a fuck

Danny Mulvihill  1:08:51  
That's a

Derrick Garza  1:08:52  
I just want to hurt the thing that I don't like.

Danny Mulvihill  1:08:54  
The gun thing has.. now it's, it's to the point where that shooting happened? Do you say it Uvalde? Or 

Derrick Garza  1:09:03  
Uvalde.

Danny Mulvihill  1:09:04  
Uvalde. That makes sense -- okay. Just a few weeks ago in Texas. And, you know, obviously, it's freakin tragic when you hear about that stuff. And then now it's like, you know, the next day is just going to be littered with both people of each side saying their thing and it's like, Man, I don't want to, like endure the like, you know, how much how can I complain? Like once people just have their children killed, which is insane to me.

Derrick Garza  1:09:35  
Terrible. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:09:38  
But what, what are some common sense things we can do? Because like, I feel like both ends of the extreme ends of the spectrum are like missing the point, you know, we can't change nothing. But we also can't like, change everything. So what are.. if you got to just if you got to 

Derrick Garza  1:09:56  
Play president for a second?

Danny Mulvihill  1:09:57  
Well, not even. More powerful than President cause the President can't do shit. 

Derrick Garza  1:10:00  
Okay

Danny Mulvihill  1:10:01  
Like if you got to play like God or dictator of the world, what are a couple things are dictator of America because this is really an American problem? 

Derrick Garza  1:10:08  
Yeah. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:10:08  
What are a couple things that you would do?

Derrick Garza  1:10:10  
I mean, right offhand. I would say, I think we need more mental health resources. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:10:16  
Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  1:10:18  
Like, man, I don't know. It's all it's all part of a system. It's all wrapped up in each other, like, capitalism rules, right? So it's the ruling factor in our, in our world, we live in a capitalistic place, right? But you know, everything is on, wages are not going up. But everything is. Cost of living, food, gas -- which most people can't afford insurance. Like I, myself, I'm not insured. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:10:48  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:10:49  
I mean, and I haven't been for a long time I've been

Danny Mulvihill  1:10:51  
Same

Derrick Garza  1:10:52  
Self employed. So we do not have access to a lot of the basic things that, you know, some of the world does, you know what I mean? And granted, we do have more than some of the other parts of the world. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:11:06  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:11:07  
But I digress. So we have no access, we have limited access, unless you have funds to evaluate whether we have people in society are schizophrenic, you know, bipolar, and there are people that can manage these things

Danny Mulvihill  1:11:26  
And even just Depression

Derrick Garza  1:11:27  
Depression, man.

Danny Mulvihill  1:11:28  
Which 

Derrick Garza  1:11:29  
Absolutely 

Danny Mulvihill  1:11:29  
I say, just depression, like, I'm sure

Derrick Garza  1:11:31  
Well, you know, of the of the totem pole, things that we usually hear about, because it's so common, like depression is always there. Right? We hear about a schizophrenic, you hear about radical

Danny Mulvihill  1:11:41  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:11:41  
Thought. So I think that's kind of a big one, you know? And then secondly, it's like, I think that would I think that background checks. And, you know, just kind of having been on board. Maybe our leaders if we would, would go and like, Hey, don't fucking hate guns, but they need to be in the right hands like it will who's to say it's the right hands? I'll tell you somebody who's not fucking schizophrenic, somebody who's not on a.. on a, in a involved in a hate group, somebody who's not

Danny Mulvihill  1:12:15  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:12:15  
In white supremacist, or whatever that is, you know what I mean? Any radical group. Should you have guns, I'm like, well, it's America, I'm like, yeah, and we're gonna keep having this problem, unless we do something about it. So I think guns are a fantastic tool, they will defend you. All good to go. But man, you take those same things, and you put them in the hands of somebody that doesn't give a fuck about life, and now becomes so detrimental, and the person that the younger person I believe, that shot up these kids ended up dying. But look at this man, we're like, talking about this weeks later, and we can go back into, you know, since then, there's been multiple shootings, there was a shooting in New York at a grocery store, there was a shooting, I think it was buffalo. It's like, these things are not slowing down. You know what I mean? So fuck, man, it's like never a big deal until it affects you.

Danny Mulvihill  1:13:14  
Yeah, it's, yeah, this is a whole 'nother topic. So I agree, I think if we could make a massive shift in supporting mental health, and like, it was just kind of standard for everybody to and not for, like some evaluation to get like green checkmark on your ID or something. But if we just all had some sort of context of what mental health is, and what it looks like, that would definitely be an important foundational thing. What about to like, really get controversial, what are -- if we could change laws about guns and owning them and getting them? Let's talk about some ideas that come to mind that would maybe could work for maybe not the extremes of the spectrum. But for, you know, let's come in a few notches. And the middle group of us, what can we all agree on? So I come from it. Like, you know, like you said, I think guns are rad. Like, I think they're, they're cool. I think they are powerful tools. And I also just from a philosophical perspective, I think if you look at history, usually when societies start to lose access to their guns, there have been problems. And third of all, there are also cases though, where guns have been taken out of society, and they didn't devolve into anarchy and whatnot. 

Derrick Garza  1:14:40  
Like, overseas. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:14:42  
Yeah, like the UK, I think. They've made some big changes. Australia, I think. And, you know, I don't.. I'm not super up on the facts. And I'm sure both sides could argue good and bad for both of these cases. But let's pretend that we get to like, do a trial run of a couple of rules. 

Derrick Garza  1:14:57  
Okay

Danny Mulvihill  1:14:58  
I have a few ideas. 

Derrick Garza  1:14:59  
Okay. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:15:00  
So I'll go first.

Derrick Garza  1:15:01  
I can't read your mind.

Danny Mulvihill  1:15:04  
So when I, honestly, when did I first get like, I didn't grow up around guns. And I don't know how much detail I want to share here. But we'll just say at one point, I got in trouble and I couldn't have guns legally. And then I got to a point where I was like, well, there's a legal path to change that. And so I'm going to take it and regain my legal right to own firearms. And it was pretty straightforward process, I hired an attorney like filed the paperwork, they looked at my background, and we're like, okay, you now have the right to own firearms, again, in the United States of America. And so I came to the game a little bit late. And I remember I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go buy a handgun, because I want to, I want to have a gun in my house, like, obviously, away from my children. But like, I like jujitsu. But if, even if a really big guy shows up, like, I might not be able to win that fight. And if two people show up, I'm fucked. So whatever. And I buy a gun. I'm like, well, I need to, I need to know how to use this thing. You know, so I found the class. And I went to it. And I remember, we sit down in a classroom, there's an instructor, maybe like, 12 people in the class, most people in their very, very little to no experience with guns. That's why they're in a class, right? And they talk about them, you know, they're like, Okay, here's what you got to know, like, and there's several firearms, like, you know, obviously, completely, they've checked them multiple times, they have, like, you know, this little plastic thing in there. So you know, that they're.. there can't be around in the chamber. And everybody, you get to, like, use them, you know, they're like, here's how this works. Like, here's how you pull the slide back, and that will load it. Here's how you remove the magazine. And like, that was great. I was like, okay, like, I just, I hadn't even had a lot of experience holding the gun. I didn't know how they functioned. And then we're like, Okay, now we're gonna go out to the shooting range. I'm like, okay, cool. You know, I guess that's what I paid for, right? But what shocked me is, they basically just had all these people who've never been around guns line up on their own lane. Gave them a firearm, talking about the rules of the range, are like, alright, shoot him. It was like, What do you mean? Like, can you show me how to do this a little more? Like, please give me some more guidance, like, and there's this especially like, as a guy, I'm supposed to know how these work, you know? So like, it was, I didn't ask for extra help. I was like, Well, I guess I have to figure it out. And I know, there were multiple other people because like, here's the other thing. The whole time, I'm worried about the people next to me, that are like not following the rules and like, you know, not keeping their firearm pointed downrange. So that was my initial experience. I was like, That was weird. I didn't like that. And so one thing that I would personally support is I think there should be a lot more opportunities for firearms training. And I would go so far as to say requirements. 

Derrick Garza  1:18:14  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  1:18:14  
I think like it's often compared to like, you know, driving a car, you have to have a license to drive a car. And I think a firearm is.. yeah, somebody can be like, Oh, you could run somebody over with your car, but like, you can conceal a handgun, I think we should have a little more responsibility around guns, and you should probably like, have to maintain your ability to use it. But here, let's make it easy. Like I don't want to price people out of guns, I think it should be like, really low cost, you know, like, for like 20 bucks, you should be able to like, you should be able to go to a range. Like that's the other thing. Like it's kind of expensive to maintain, like to know how to like to have a range membership and spend money on ammunition and then take the time and go, if we had systems to support people knowing how to use firearms properly. I would support like, more requirements, like you got to know how to fucking use this thing. You got to have some accuracy. We got to see that. You just You just handle it properly. You know, like because it takes it takes a lot of practice to properly handle a weapon safely. 

Derrick Garza  1:19:26  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  1:19:26  
To not just turn around accidentally, you know, unless a barrel crossover somebody.

Derrick Garza  1:19:31  
I mean, I'll be real honest. The first time I went to a shooting range, I bought a gun. My own gun, I brought it to the range and I'm literally trying to load it. And I know about fucking trigger safety. Nobody's 

Danny Mulvihill  1:19:45  
Ah, like Yeah, yeah. 

Derrick Garza  1:19:46  
And as I'm putting the slide back, I feel like I can let off a round. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:19:50  
Oh, scary dude

Derrick Garza  1:19:50  
And it goes. It doesn't go. I mean, there's nobody around me but it doesn't go

Danny Mulvihill  1:19:54  
Straight

Derrick Garza  1:19:55  
Down the alley. You know, it goes sideways and I was like.. I put it down and I'm like Fuck.

Danny Mulvihill  1:20:01  
Yikes. 

Derrick Garza  1:20:01  
You know what I mean? Like, fuck I did that. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:20:04  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:20:04  
This is, this is pretty much what can happen when you point it at somebody and go.. I don't, I'm just gonna point it and it goes off. You know what I mean? And so like now he's -- now someone's dead. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:20:16  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:20:17  
It's hard to respect. If you've never handled them, you've never been taught, it's hard to respect how powerful and life altering firearms are. But to talk about it in that way, people go, well, we won't let you fucking take it away from us. You go missing the point, man. We're not nobody's trying

Danny Mulvihill  1:20:38  
I don't want to take anybody's.. there's some people I think we should take their guns though. 

Derrick Garza  1:20:41  
Right. Right. And that goes back to like the mental health. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:20:43  
Yeah 

Derrick Garza  1:20:43  
I also think that 25, you know, age 25, when people's frontal lobe

Danny Mulvihill  1:20:50  
Sure

Derrick Garza  1:20:51  
Is a little bit more developed, because you can go out as an 18 year old right now in the state of Texas and buy ammunition, buy 

Danny Mulvihill  1:20:59  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:21:00  
You literally can just you fill out a paperwork. I've done it before, fill out paperwork. They do an FBI quick check. I mean, it's not even, you know, I think it's, it can be I think we did it by phone. It wasn't even like I had to wait, it was like I waited

Danny Mulvihill  1:21:14  
They can do, they can run them pretty quick.

Derrick Garza  1:21:16  
Yeah. And so then they're like, Alright, cool. That's all it took. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:21:19  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:21:19  
What if, you know, they had not known that, up until this point, let's say I was posting hate messages on my Facebook or like, I'm part of a group with an agenda. It's that easy for me to have access now to hurting people. And so I say 25 Only because like, at 25. I'm a bit away from high school, my frontal lobe, I'm probably maybe hopefully working as a productive member of society. And I'm not just as impulsive as I was when I was 18. I was 18. I didn't know fucking shit.

Danny Mulvihill  1:21:54  
I think I would say is.. I, especially now that I'm like, way past 25 I'm like, sure it easy for me. I think how we could maybe sell that to the middle is say, if you want it to be easy, like and it's I think across the board, we should make it slightly more difficult to get your first firearm. I think once you have guns, then it should be a little easier because you've clearly gone through the steps. But it's the first one. I think sometimes that is a concern. Because now somebody goes from not having one to having one. That's a huge amplification and power. But maybe if you're 18 to 25, there's a lot more steps you got to go through like it's it takes a lot more effort. But I think there should be a path for a responsible 18 year old because we send kids to war. 

Derrick Garza  1:22:42  
Absolutely. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:22:43  
And so I think it would be idiotic to send somebody.. to let them join the military, teach them how to use weapons, and then they get out and they can't even own one it seems like no

Derrick Garza  1:22:56  
I see your point 

Danny Mulvihill  1:22:57  
But and maybe military services, one of the things that is a big step towards qualification

Derrick Garza  1:23:03  
Sure

Danny Mulvihill  1:23:03  
On firearms really. Anything else kind of mind. What else can we do that?

Derrick Garza  1:23:07  
I mean, I'm gonna say something really controversial, but I'm like, I don't know if there's another way around it. I'm like, what why do we have access to assault rifles? Like, what in what way? Do we would we need that? Unless I'm part of the cartel or some shit? I'm like, Yeah, I'm at war all the time. It's a war weapon. You know what I mean? 

Danny Mulvihill  1:23:25  
I mean, the thing like that, the assault rifle phrase. And this is like, I'm obviously taking the the other talking point of the other side

Derrick Garza  1:23:32  
Sure

Danny Mulvihill  1:23:32  
Like when people say why do we need assault rifles? And the response is like, what the fuck is an assault rifle? You know, so

Derrick Garza  1:23:40  
High, high volume or high capacity with semi to fully automatic when people will

Danny Mulvihill  1:23:47  
Well like having a fully automatic weapon is astoundingly difficult. Like, there's, they're very hard to find the cost like $25,000. I mean, you could, you could change it, or you can run it

Derrick Garza  1:23:58  
And people and we have access to the internet.

Danny Mulvihill  1:24:00  
And if you do mod it like, in you get caught you're so ugly fucked.

Derrick Garza  1:24:05  
So like I get that, but people do fucked up shit all the time. And people run meth rooms

Danny Mulvihill  1:24:09  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:24:09  
And they're like, I'm not gonna get caught.

Danny Mulvihill  1:24:11  
The main difference between, like, quote, assault rifles and hunting rifles is just the assault rifles look cooler. And they do tend to have magazines or have higher capacity, admittedly. But the whole magazine thing, like it's, it does not take very long to change magazine. And you know, it is an extra step that if somebody's unloading, I'd rather try to tackle them when they're in the middle of a magazine change the not for sure. And, you know, like, I think I could even get behind that like I would, I'd be okay with 10 round mags for

Derrick Garza  1:24:45  
Maybe, maybe.. the, maybe the solution lays and if you're going to get a handgun, you know, it's this is the steps if you're going to get high capacity, or, you know, something much more powerful. Maybe there's more steps to that, you know what I mean? like, maybe you're in the right, right idea by saying no, you still have access to them. You just have to prove you're, you're not going to fucking murder a bunch of people, you know what I mean?

Danny Mulvihill  1:25:09  
Yeah, like, you know, everybody says, oh, not everybody, but like, the argument with this phrase assault rifle is, I mean, most hunting rifles are actually way more powerful and accurate than, say an AR 15, for example, they do tend to have smaller magazines. But you don't see very many people shooting up schools with hunting rifles, I will, I will say, like, it's just the way they look

Derrick Garza  1:25:35  
I have to ask 

Danny Mulvihill  1:25:35  
A lot of them shoot the same rounds

Derrick Garza  1:25:37  
I have to ask you, you have school aged kids, and I can probably figure this out. But what were your.. what are your thoughts now? Like, having 

Danny Mulvihill  1:25:45  
Oh, them at school?

Derrick Garza  1:25:47  
Them at school having children in school man, and like, you know

Danny Mulvihill  1:25:50  
Ugh, yeah. It's.. especially the last school they were at, I thought I was a lot more worried about it there just because it's a little bit, not super, is a kind of a more isolated campus. There's a lot of ways to access it. And that I, some days, I just kind of felt weary, worried about that. I'm a little more comfortable with where they go now. Not to say like, anybody who is super motivated, could obviously make it happen, especially if it was a kid at the school, they tend to have you know, you never know, but there's not a lot of kids there. And they all seem pretty awesome with really like great family. So it'd be really utterly shocking. If a student there were gonna make that happen. But it still crosses your mind, you know, and at the end of the day, it's just like, you can't, I can't bring my kids or myself through life trying to avoid every potential disaster. Absolutely. But how do I feel? I mean, like, oh, just imagine, you know, like, imagine one of like, if one of them. Fuck, dude, if somebody killed one of them. It would be really hard to hold my mind together. I think I would, uh, it'd be hard enough if like something just, you know, a car wreck or some freak accident or illness took them, you know, but if like somebody fucking murdered them? That'd be really hard to I think you'd be permanently disfigured in a emotional sense. Like, it would be hard to like the rest of my life would my capability to have joy would, would be reduced. And so how do I deal with it? You know, I just I do think that we're fortunate to put them the school that they're at, and it's a little safer. Like, there's a gate that gets shut, you know, after drop off. And so there's a couple of barriers there. It's, I don't, you know, I don't personally know, there's somebody there that I think I'll actually ask him one day, but I think it's possible that at least one staff member there probably has a handgun. 

Derrick Garza  1:28:03  
Yeah. 

Danny Mulvihill  1:28:05  
It, it's a private school. So they might be able to get around the rules with firearms on the campus. I don't know, I've never seen any signs that say, I can't have a gun or a knife on campus. 

Derrick Garza  1:28:14  
Yeah. You know. So I think I asked you on our last podcast, I think one of the 10 questions that I asked was like, do you think the world is in a worse place, like than we've seen on social media or not? And so then I kind of circle back to this and say, we really haven't, because they're really sort of problem in America like, and when I say, you know, we're held on a handbasket. I don't necessarily mean like, extinction level. But 

Danny Mulvihill  1:28:47  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  1:28:47  
These type of things that really alter the way we live, we perceive life like, do we have a problem with this? And can we expect more of this behavior in the future?

Danny Mulvihill  1:29:00  
There's certainly a, you know, we have a multitude of problems in our beautiful country. But to start at that broader question, they're like, is the world worse? I tend to.. and this is a choice I make, I tend to choose that. I think the world is better than it looks on social media. And you know what most of like, the way the algorithm has me pinned I mostly see positive stuff, like I don't really interact with negative shit. So maybe like social media is actually feeding me this idea a little bit. And when it's not, I'm like, I just don't spend too much time entertaining. The thought that like the world is horrible, because, like, you know, I talked about bringing the kids to Mueller on Friday. And I remember sitting there and just saying, like, Fuck, man, I am so lucky. Like, I'm sitting here with my wife, who I love like we have a great relationship. My kids are up there. They're like dancing on the stage with, you know, this music that's designed for them. I'm surrounded by pretty much everybody looks happy to be here. And I'm thinking about, like, there's a war in Ukraine and probably fucking 15 other places that we just don't know about. And I get to be here, not at war, with lots of good things happening in my life. I'm healthy, my family's healthy. Like, I have a lot of things I really like to do, and I get to do and money's pretty good. I started a new job. That's like, like, really cool. I'm, like, stoked about it. So my experience is that shits pretty good. Yeah. And so maybe, maybe this is selfish of me. But I'm, I just am like, well, I'm going to focus on that. But that's my thought.

Derrick Garza  
More empathetic. It's like no, and I think you're empathetic, but you know, with with everything. I mean 9-11 happened and people had to go to work, you know

Danny Mulvihill  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  
After that in other parts of the country, and I'm not saying sweep it under the rug. I think we have to do our part. But it's like, and we stopped to feed ourselves and we still have to like feed our children and that's kind of the fucked up thing about it. It's like, that's the fucked up thing about it. It's.. these things happen and then we have to keep going on. And really, I think the goal is to like, hopefully prevent more things like this. But man, life is unpredictable, you know, and no matter like, no matter what steps we take, somebody can still find a way and on the other end of that, life might seem super shitty, and then we have amazing people around and like somehow can like, balance that out and find the light in this thing. You know what I mean? But it's, it's a fucking ride. Man. Like, you just don't know what slice we're getting into or like, eating the slice, you know what I mean? And being like, oh, that's what's in there, you know, but, you know, I feel.. feel heavily for, for the parents man, who had to bury their children or, you know, do whatever they do. Man. It's like, I still think of that. Now, you know, my son comes home from work and it's, you know, sometimes you get home at like, 3 am like, I see my door open like, let me know when you come 

Danny Mulvihill  
Yeah

Derrick Garza  
When you get home, man. I just want to know you're good. If he wasn't what the fuck would I do? You know, it's not like I'm gonna get up and go be fucking vigilante Batman like, it's like, but as parents or as humans, we try to keep the people around us safe, you know? Sorry about that. Didn't mean to shake us up there. But yeah, man. So it's I don't know what good do you take from something like that? You know, and it's more of a rhetorical question about like, Danny, let's put you under the microscope and say something good for your fans, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, that was super tragic. You know? And fuck, there's little babies, you know, like, sorry that that had to happen. Yeah.

Danny Mulvihill  
Let's try to end it on a high note. 

Derrick Garza  
We will do that.

Danny Mulvihill  
It's hard to think about that. So let's see.

Derrick Garza  
Well I was talking about your, your tendency to.. to chastise me for not getting enough sleep. 

Danny Mulvihill  
Alright. Yeah. 

Derrick Garza  
I didn't know so when I first met you, I first met you, you and I were neighbors. So we would share beers you would bring over a six pack and we'd stay up late. Chop it up. And as I've gotten to know you, you have progressively turned into like, Oh, I'm not staying up late. I'm going to go get some sleep, enough sleep and blah, blah, blah. Like you became a really big advocate for sleep health.

Danny Mulvihill  
Oh, yeah.

Derrick Garza  
In your own way. And you know that you know, up until I was going to school. You know, when I had the gym I was like, I survived on like four and a half hours of sleep a day. Wake up, have some coffee. Won't eat till like one o'clock. My man over here is like cringing. How unhealthy this is but this was the way and as I've told him lately, it's been like, you need to fucking sleep 40 year old man like you need to sleep. So what did that.. what did -- where did you get that from?

Danny Mulvihill  
You know what I think I first really got my awareness of sleep is for my birthday. I think in 2019 I want to say yeah, Possy got me a whoop strap.

Derrick Garza  
What's a whoop strap?

Danny Mulvihill  
It's like a

Derrick Garza  
Is it like a Fitbit? 

Danny Mulvihill  
Yeah, but it doesn't have a screen.

Derrick Garza  
Okay

Danny Mulvihill  
It just has like the the heart rate monitor and they have pretty good app and like metrics and one of the things they measure is sleep and so that's the first time I was even getting any like -- it's pretty good it like it'll just detect

Derrick Garza  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  
When you fall asleep. It detects how many times you wake up in the middle of the night how much you were moving like shows you.. you know percentages and graphs and, and then it also records and calculates your HRV which is heart rate variability, which sounds like.. it's not what it sounds like what it actually is like. So there's a little bit of distance between each heartbeat, right? 

Derrick Garza  
Yeah. 

Danny Mulvihill  
And so let's say on average, it's, I guess, depending on how fast your heart's beating is 500 milliseconds to 700 milliseconds or something. So, heart rate variability is a measure of how much the space between your beats varies. So this beat is 300 milliseconds and then the next is 500. And the next it's 280. And then like, the distance that happens in a major time periods, say they measure this for five minutes, which I think when I had the whoop strap, they take like the last five minutes of like the last 20 minutes before you woke up to get the most accurate reading and measure that distance and then they give you a score. That's your HRV.

Derrick Garza  
Okay

Danny Mulvihill  
And apparently that's like a really good when your HRV is high. It's a pretty good indicator that your health is high. Okay, it's a strong feedback tool. So that's when I first started getting into sleep and like having some awareness of it and being like oh, yeah, sleep’s important. Okay. And you know, doing Jiu Jitsu a lot. I noticed that the days I train, I really need that like eight hours that night, or I'm like, toast 

Derrick Garza  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  
The next day. And then I read a book last year called Why We sleep by Matt Walker, and he was on, I listened to one, two or three different podcasts.

Derrick Garza  
Okay

Danny Mulvihill  
And some of them are really long and they were still all really fantastic. He's just one of the you know, he has a British or I think it's a British accent. So like, it'll cut into your ear, yeah, just like, seduces you to listen.

Derrick Garza  
Oh man, so sexy!

Danny Mulvihill  
But, and then I read the book and that was also brilliant. You know, like, there's something about when books are bestsellers. They, they really are just easy to read.

Derrick Garza  
Really?

Danny Mulvihill  
Like that's what I find. More and more now. I will seek out – I would rather read a best seller just because I know it's going to be enjoyable. It's not going to feel like work. Some books I'm like I need to read this and I just forced myself through it and I don't like to do -- there's just too many fantastic books out there to do that. And I think that's where it just kind of set in and now I have been taking my sleep pretty seriously, I feel pretty healthy.

Derrick Garza  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  
I noticed when I don't get enough sleep. I spent a little more willing to not be such a Nazi to myself about it lately. But it.. so I guess what I mean by that is I've been, I've been letting myself go for seven to seven and a half hours some nights just because I'm like it's kind of late and I want to get up early tomorrow. So I'll give myself a little less than my eight hours. 

Derrick Garza  
Yeah

Danny Mulvihill  
But then you know, within a few days I'll make sure I just..

Derrick Garza  
Back to normal?

Danny Mulvihill  
Yeah, and the thing is like, I stay up late sometimes. Saturday night, I stayed up till almost midnight.

Derrick Garza  
Oh my God

Danny Mulvihill  
I know, right? 

Derrick Garza  
Who are you?

Danny Mulvihill  
I know. But I turned my alarm off for the next day. I ended up waking up kind of early like six or something that I had just got up that day or I guess that was today. Wait, right? 

Derrick Garza  
Yeah, we're on Sunday. 

Danny Mulvihill  
Yeah, I was up late last night weird, man. It feels like

Derrick Garza  
Are you going to be up late today?

Danny Mulvihill  
No.. definitely not. I.. I did end up making it to Jiu Jitsu. I went to an open mat and those are always like very intense training sessions so I'm pretty tired.

Derrick Garza  
There's a well number one I appreciate you looking out for the amount and quality of sleep that I'm getting. I will say because I've started school. My days are 9am to 6pm five days a week. Fucking dead and then Jiu Jitsu on top of that, I'm just like, God damn. But all in the name of like, trying to better myself. So yeah, I have been sleeping much better, much more sound so I would have you be very proud of me.

Danny Mulvihill  
I am. It's gonna get better, man.

Derrick Garza  
Yeah, man. Really quick. You gotta come to the shop, man. I gotta, I gotta cut you up.

Danny Mulvihill  
I know. I guess I'm just getting -- with just the other day. I think it was like Friday, and I went outside and I started shaving my head and I was like, Oh, I'm supposed to go to Derrick!

Derrick Garza  
What a dick.

Danny Mulvihill  
I was like, Well, I'm halfway done. I can't go now.

Derrick Garza  
No, you should've just left, trust me man. Some of the hairlines that I've seen in there. People fuck themselves up. And they're like, can you.. can you fix this? And I look at him and I'm like, man.

Danny Mulvihill  
Yeah, we're gonna use a zero. 

Derrick Garza  
Well, fuck, let me be an artist and like, come up with something creative.

Danny Mulvihill  
Right

Derrick Garza  
Yeah, man, yeah, I'd love to have you in the chair. I thought I had this idea. I won't spill the beans, but I think it might be kind of cool. 

Danny Mulvihill  
You gotta get me excited like that.

Derrick Garza  
Well definitely I'll come back to it, you know. I gotta get.. I gotta get some bearings underneath me. But I think you know, mesh and mesh both worlds.

Danny Mulvihill  
Nice

Derrick Garza  
My skill set so.. 

Danny Mulvihill  
I look forward to hearing it

Derrick Garza  
Yeah, I think it'd be really cool man and maybe we'll get you on there. Whatever. But I do have a new IG it's @x.dgthebarber.x  So if you want to follow and come get a haircut. 

Danny Mulvihill  
Definitely

Derrick Garza  
So a couple of our jujitsu boys have definitely come through. Keep it fresh to death.

Danny Mulvihill  
Yeah. Alright, man. 

Derrick Garza  
Well, dude. Thank you, man. Seriously, I really appreciate being on the podcast. I hope the -- fuck I hope that people listen.

Danny Mulvihill  
Yeah, it's fun, man. Thank you. And it's also good to kind of dig into some, I guess.. touchy subjects. And I learned a little bit especially from the gender section. I feel a little more informed and talking about guns is nice too. Hopefully we'll get a bunch of people pissed off.

Derrick Garza  
Oh, man, we.. maybe. Maybe but then we want.. everybody needs to be open and open to change.

Danny Mulvihill  
Pissed off and then ready to discuss. 

Derrick Garza  
Yeah, let's talk. Let's have a real discord. Holler at me. You can have me I don't give a fuck. Let's do it.

Danny Mulvihill  
Alright.

Derrick Garza  
We love y'all! Peace